Content of the presentation changes regularly as I do more research and writing for the upcoming book, “Forging a Sacred Weapon: How the Bible Became Anti-Gay” due out Spring 2020.

For the latest version of content, please send me an email for a Presentation Package.

The ideal format for the “Untangling the Mess” or “Unclobbering the Tangled Mess” presentation is a six hour block of time with lunch (preferably onsite) in the middle. I spend the first three hours laying a firm Kathy Baldock Untangling the Messfoundation on which to lay the Bible verses associated with same-sex behavior. It may seem a long process, but it goes fast and is essential to seeing the verses in context.

As I teach, I create a timeline to give the participants the feeling of discovering information along with me as we progress through time together. I begin with the understanding of human sexuality and the social/sexual structures between men and women in ancient cultures and progress to modern day. Along the way, I present the influences on our understanding same-sex behavior from  several points of view: science, governmental and legal impacts, cultural changes, psychoanalysis, and the merger of politics and religion.

Kathy Baldock Untangling the MessParticipants gain insights, clarity and ways of engaging conversations about the intersection of faith with sexual orientation and gender identity.

The teaching is never boring and I use humor frequently. I enjoy teaching — it is quite obvious to those listening.

If the time allotment is more constrained, I can do a 90-minute version, 2-hour, 3-hour, or 4-hour version.

1st Segment: Same-sex behavior and homosexuality in history and in the culture

  • Early understanding of same-sex behavior
  • The “discovery” of heterosexuality and homosexuality
  • How did heterosexuality become the “good” sex?
  • Historical terms about same-sex attracted people and the link to views on womenKathy Baldock Untangling the Mess
  • How did homosexuality come to be understood as a mental illness?
  • The beginnings of reparative, or change therapy
  • Gays in the American culture from the 1940s to the 1960s

2nd Segment:  Religion and Politics

  • The roots of Fundamentalism
  • The need to galvanize unregistered blocs of Fundamentalists in the mid-1970s
  • Conservative voters and gay activists rise in response to actions by Anita Bryant
  • The AIDS crisis in the 1980s and the response of the American public and Christian church

3rd Segment: Science

  • What is sex?
  • What is intersex?
  • Understanding gender
  • Understanding transgender
  • The science of sexual orientation


Kathy Baldock Untangling the Mess4th Segment: Same-sex behavior in the Bible

  • Dogma, doctrine, opinions, and hermeneutics
  • Leviticus 18 and 20
  • Romans 1
  • 1 Corinthians and 1 Timothy
  • Deuteronomy 22:5
  • Looking at the verses in 1611, 1946, 1971, and 1996
  • Same “tactics” in substantiating slavery, domination of women, and mistreatment of LGBT people

5th Segment: Civil and Christian marriage, impact of misapplied Scripture, the history of LGBT Christian movement, public policy on LGBT issues, and creating safe place in church

  • Shifting definition of marriage
  • History of civil marriageKathy Baldock
  • Marriage as a civil right
  • What is Christian marriage?
  •  Does Christian marriage require complementarity and/or procreation?
  •  The road to marriage equality
  •  Trying to “fix” gay Christians and the rise of the Exodus-type ministries
  •  Mixed orientation marriage where one spouse is straight and one is gay
  •  The beginnings of the gay Christian movement
  • Public policy on transgender issues
  • Creating safe places in church

Final Discussion

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